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IP over AC: Mmmmmm Ppppfffftttt SssshhhhhhhWOOOSH

by AlphaPhoenix

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Published 1 Apr 2023

I needed better home internet, so I used a plastic bag and a long string. Please DON'T try this at home. It works here, but there are a lot of ways you can screw up your house doing this. Be sure to check out the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TryTryAgain/ Music in this video: I Dunno by grapes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) http://ccmixter.org/files/grapes/16626

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@AlphaPhoenixChannellast year Faqs and corrections:
1) don' t try this at home!
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@finjcamlast year Fun fact: ipoac stands for something else too!
it also means ip over avian carriers, a (obviously not serious) protocol that takes advantage of . ...Expand 869
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@insanecreeper9000last year I fully expect an investigation of seriously implementing ipoac using pressure sensors and modulating fan speed in the future.
maybe we should call tom7? 337
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@MacGuffin1last year I was expecting an april fools day joke about modulating aircon fan to tx and rx data. 1035
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@zaneworldslayerlast year My favorite part about back of the napkin equations is making up the variables you don' t know! 81
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@magingace5199last year Hvac design engineer here! I typically see supply fans push between 1 to 4 " in w. C. " inch water column) which is between 0. 036 and 0. 144 psi, . ...Expand 35
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@dmytrochaika7570last year In the current world where every channel is expected to have fancy professional lighting, cameras, set design, etc. I absolutely love how this channel keeps the spirit of the good old youtube alive. 69
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@klikkoleelast year Make sure you use a plenum-rated cable! Otherwise it' s a fire hazard. Air handling spaces can stoke fires and move combustion products around, so cables . ...Expand 150
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@KalebSmartlast year I actually did this with a telephone cable for my uncle in 2020. I ended up using plenum cable so i wouldn' t be inhaling toxic fumes if the cable ever caught on fire. It worked surprisingly well, though! 160
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@sam-ur7rzlast year As a last resort not a bad idea, but definitely use plenum cable if you can just to reduce the risk of fire and to withstand thedeviations. 102
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@eeee69last year First reading the title i was expecting ac to be alternating current (send data via am/fm? And then for this to turn into anvideo
i like that instead of puttingtry this at home" you put " if you try this at home" it' s much more inviting. ...Expand 46
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@dietbr00ksylast year Love the project! Look into plenum rating for cables. May want to replace that one if it' s not plenum rated. We use this technique in electrical for . ...Expand 17
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@JorgReinhardtLinuxAdminlast year Thing about april fools videos, is that you just pretend to do the bizarre thing. You know that, right? 19
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@cheater00last year That' s a nice idea. But also, i have to tell you, it' s easier to catch the cable in the scenario you provided at the beginning, than you think . ...Expand 62
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@HotClownlast year Do you ever feel / like a plastic bag
flying through a vent / wanting to route some net
i was expecting this to be about how those little . ...Expand 11
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@bengineer8last year I thought this was going to be ip over the power lines based on the 1st words of the title but was pleasantly surprised to see something even better. 5
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@107thFruitlast year @alphaphoenix network engineer here; running copper, or even fiber cable this way is actually not as uncommon as you might think. When ducts are used as i used to work at a college that had steam tunnels that conveniently connected all of the buildings on campus. We had insulated conduit run through the tunnels with plenum grade fiber.
as an alternative, for a residential job like this it' s possible to leverage eop (ethernet over power) adapters given the right conditions. However, given how far away your run is the likelihood that you' re on the same phase and circuit are pretty much zilch.
another option is point to point wireless bridges. If you can have the two antennas in direct los of each other you can traverse the entire length of your house easily, and with a newer 5ghz high gain antenna you could achieve near 1gbps (likely the same speed as your internet anyways, and sufficient for lan transfers). ...Expand 4
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@DaimyoD0last year I thought this was a common practice, because my dad (a network engineer) routed ethernet into my childhood bedroom through the return duct. Not the grocery also, i was today years old when i realizedlogo was a phoenix' s flight path in the shape of the character alpha (. ...Expand 30
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@erictheepic5019last year As a complete aside to how goofy this video was (i actually forgot it was the first of april until i checked the comments) that attic ladder location id="hidden14" scares me. I have trouble enough getting myself to go up the wobbly ladder in my house, let alone the added fear of falling down a flight of stairs if i do fall! Least getting the christmas decoration downstairs is easy, so long as you don' t mind a few broken ornaments each year.
a quick edit to append something that' s substantially more relevant, but still very tangential; about the pressure the hvac in your house creates, i once heard a story from someone who did hvac for large buildings. I forget how it exactly played out, but a building ended up with either exclusively air intakes fans or air outtake fans, i forget which; either way, the fans were creating a significant pressure difference inside the building. So much so that after the hvac system was turned on, you couldn' t leave the building because the door was stuck shut. If you figure it' s a door about 2 square meters in area and the pressure is 1 kilopascal, that' s like 200 kg of weight being set on the door. The force at the handle is going to be less than that, but i can' t bother with doing the integral right now to find whatever it might be. ...Expand 12
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@JudgeDrDlast year Saw your new ip over ac video, couple observations:
1. You used a flat cable, and a rather long flat cable, you should change that for a conventional 2. You ran the cable inside an air plenum, you should make sure to use plenum rated cabling. If for whatever reason that insulation ever burns, youre going to have nasty fumes all over your house
and i know said only a couple, but #3 it may have just been easier for you to run a conduit down the side of your house and in through the outside wall on the first floor.
other than that, great video, and be careful next time you close all your air ducts, you could end up blowing an air hvac duct or damaging your air handler. And for your storage needs, get a synology plus series nas, thank me layer.
ps: posted this on twitter first but then realized i could just comment on youtube, lol. ...Expand 1
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@tad2021last year To run cables down thru walls there are magnet cable pull lines. The floor transitions would require cutting some holes. 2
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@gideon7212last year I actually tried doing this via the intake of my hvac instead a few years ago (i was a kid who was mad at my parents for not letting me drill ethernet also, any good system puts the filter before the fan, so actually it wouldn' t jam the system fan with a grocery bag and gives you a convenient way to get the cable out. ...Expand 3
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@ArkiosRokuyonlast year Honestly, i expected you to show a lan to wall socket plug system, which we use in our house to cover for the spotty wifi coverage. And some even weirder the last thing i expected with " ip over ac" was a normal, sensible thing, that anybody could think of. ...Expand 4
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@JustOneAsbestolast year I worked condo security for several years, and i did a lot of work with guys installing fibre optic cable in high-rises.
they use a similar concept, otherwise, it' s just a bit of drywall work, and if you know how to splice the cable, you can get physical connections basically anywhere. ...Expand
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@Bllinkerlast year I thought you were going to pipe rf through the metal ducts. 13
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@MatteBlackSilhouettelast year We use this technique all the time invacuum and an expensive bag to pull string through pipe. There are jet operations similar to what you did to blow cable into pipe over thousands of feet.
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@MegaDoug1979last year I worked on critical systems at a large data center and when they' d run the big cabling under the building from the power switchgear to the generators, . ...Expand
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@acorgiwithacrown467last year Ohh i thought you were talking about ip over powerline ac which is a real thing. 8
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@suruadamablelast year Reminds me of my system at home. The internet comes in through the attic, runs the length of the entire house, and then goes down three floors through an unused chimney into the garage. 3
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@jonathandill3557last year Air blowing or jetting are used professionally for running optical fiber i' ve seen it done in 4 inch conduits between buildings. The coolest stuff . ...Expand
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@Nobe_Oddylast year That was ingenious! Bravo!
i just explained what you did to my dad (he' s a grumpy old man, so nothing seems to impress or please him lol) and he jaw dropped and he loudly exclaimed " wow! That isso i had toto repeat is perfect exclamation!
this really was awesome!. ...Expand
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@wilswildworkshop7817last year As a handyman i say that' s genius dude not sure if it' s up code but the vents don' t get hot enough to cause any fire risk so awesome man you did good way easier than the
conventional way for sure.
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@_TheMentorlast year What i thought was an april fools joke ended up being a super useful wiring technique. Huh. I will absolutely be doing this instead of randomly drilling holes. 2
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@NC_-ew5cklast year Thank u so much for uploading again, missed the content.
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@captaindragon8179last year Fun fact: some aircraft and other things which require moving a lot of computing power in a mobile thing used to use metal ducts and radiowaves to transmit i forget what they are called but they are neat. I' ve seen them in old american fighter jets like the f15 and f16. ...Expand
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@Scott009 months ago Old video but i always considered this an option if i ever needed to run ethernet without cutting holes, the parachute bag idea is genius.
another . ...Expand 1
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@lettersnstufflast year Make sure you use cable rated for those temperatures and for use in plenum spaces. I do low voltage electrical work, a lot of what we do is pull blue cable, . ...Expand
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@NikiDaDudelast year Speaking of catching cables behindand routing them through a small hole, i' ve used a method that works quite well.
tie a nut to the end of the cable and drag it with a strong magnet from the other end and through the hole then pull the cable out. ...Expand 1
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@TrabberShirlast year I never used the air pressure to do the routing, but a house i lived in back in the 90s had the main ac return vent in the server closet and at least three long cable runs went through the ducts.
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@geoff5623last year I used the air return vent for part of a cable run at my parents house in ~2003, dropping from the second floor down to the crawl space, where it could . ...Expand
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@FiltyIncognitolast year Threading cables through tiny holes in walls:
for dropping down, use a small weight tied to a string as your pilot line. Far more predictable trajectories. for catching the pilot, use another hanger or two with a string tied from one end to another to create a ' net' when you separate the ends of the hanger and stretch the string taught, the area between the hangers and string is now your ' net' and when you pull it out of the hole, the string between the hangers will pull your pilot line in with it.
tip: there are wall fixtures similar to those around a light switch or electric socket shaped specifically for cables, so instead of trying to struggle with a cable-sized hole because you don' t want it to look awful when you' re done, make a bigger hole and just cover it up with the wall fixture. ...Expand 3
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@Thomas_Lemmeylast year Great idea. I just need to get ac ducting installed so i can follow it with my ethernet. 2
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@bgnmpc91224 months ago This is great idea! I' m gonna pass this to electrician on one of my projects, poor guy have to pull some extra wires for home automatics after everything is finished.
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@DavidSommer-pw7fv3 months ago That (the bag through the duct) is similar to a technique i saw years ago on home time where they used a wad of something on a string and a vacuum to id="hidden34" thru some pipe / conduit. Then the string was used to pull wire through it. ...Expand
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@MLeoDaalderlast year You know, if you don' t have too many ham radio operators nearby, then you could also use those ip over ac boxes (ac as in alternating current) perhaps . ...Expand 52
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@caffeineaulast year In early 2020, during covid i suddenly needed to cater for my work from home needs, plus my wife working from home and our son zooming into his school. so i ran an ethernet patch cable to a spare bedroom by running in to the wall through an attachment for a pir sensor for a defunct alarm system, up into the roof space, and then into my new wfh spare bedroom through the hole in the ceiling that also supplies power to the light fixture.
no ac shenanigans, but i did use a pool noodle to poke the cable into some hard to reach spots.
3 years later, that cable is still coming out of behind the light fixture, but i have since run fibre properly for the 10gbe goodness. One of these days i' ll need to get back up there and pull the old ethernet cable out. ...Expand
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@mrfoodaramalast year I love this! Always creative and fun, love your videos. 1
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@Shermanbaylast year Another way of feeding ethernet data thru ac is to use the ac power line. No kidding, no wires, no plastic bags. Ethernet over ac power just requires the . ...Expand
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@MuradBeybalaevlast year Yeah, i expected you to invent a modem that would modulate the ethernet signal onto the carrier wave of the alternating current in your power grid. 4
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@MrDanielmahaniellast year The fact you had to tell us why this is on-brand, brother this is 1000% on brand for this channel. Youre the goat.
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@rtyuik77 months ago Reminds me of how they suggested using ferrets to clean out the dust from the large hadronsend them in with little dusters attached to them and let them worm through all the narrow crevices, before luring them back out with some sort of treat. ...Expand
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@gannas42last year I was completely expecting an april fool' s joke video then i see this masterpiece. I did this 16 years ago in a rental house because i wasn' t allowed to run through the walls. I showed them! 2
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@suppermike777last year That cable looks sketchy (flat cable often doesn' t have internal pairing twists) on a long throw that passes through and near who knows what i would . ...Expand 2
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@anthonydavidson6139last year This is essentially the same method we use as electricians to get wire through pipes.
way to think out of the box.
its not quite as h id="hidden41"ard to get that wire down your wall though as you might think. Let me explain.
drill a hole through your header in the attic. Cut a small square hole in the sheetrock in the room below your header hole by the floor. Drill a small hole through your flooring and into the lower floor wall and boom youre where you need to be. The only repair you need to do is replace the square sheet rock you cut out. If youre having trouble fishing the wire down the wall the method i prefer is similar to the method you used except i use a nut on a string and a very powerful magnet. ...Expand 1
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@samlaki4051last year Insane. I love it mr materials science man. 2
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@silkdragon47last year Huh i totaly thought this was an april fools video, but that is all just correct! Lol.
i saw this technique used in a home improvement show where . ...Expand
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@birdiesnbritts1391last year Loved when the bag popped out. Hilarious!
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@mvadulast year I was amazed that your duct didn' t have nails poking through it every few feet' s (like mine) thus rupturing the bag. 1
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@stevepolinglast year Some crown molding would nicely hide the ethernet cable running along the top of the wall. And you' d get some fun 3d trig figuring out the angles to cut the crown molding.
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@seanb6636last year My heart sank when I saw you had drilled down through the ceiling instead of installing a wall plate.
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@rickharrisslast year In the uk i feed my ethernet connection to my tv via the mains cabling. I gat approx 100mb/s with no trouble at all. If you have led lights you can modulate them to carry data. 1
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@TimothyWhiteheadzmlast year Always worth hard wiring if you can. I hope that aircon only does cooling. If it does heating, be careful. 1
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@DancingRainlast year I first saw ipoac, and thought " internet protocol over alternating current" and thought you' d be sending ip packets over your 120v house for the folks who insist that everyone has to give them metric units. They can use a unit converter, just like we have to do here in the us, when european science content gives us only metric and no conversion.
it' s nice to have things presented once in a while in units that i grew up with, and intuitively grasp. ...Expand
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@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork3 months ago Dude! That' s a brilliant takeoff on the balloon trick for conduit!
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@Extra_Mentallast year This was a pretty good idea, but there was another option that is also ip over ac, as in ac power outlets by using a powerlan adapter. 2
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@familyguy0398last year Powerline networking is also a worthy upgrade vs wifi for hard to reach spaces. It' s not as reliable as a straight ethernet connection but is extremely . ...Expand
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@Android480last year I thought this was a suckerpinch style video at first. Like you were going to encode tcp packets using air pressure or something wild like that! Tom has spoiled me.
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@tjarsunlast year Ive seen on one of ltt videos about upgrading employees setups that one of them used a vaccum cleaner duct for running ethernet, and providing power to the network devices aswell.
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@ThaSPAWN7 months ago As someone who' s been working in networking:
those flat lan cables are shit. There is a reason cable pairs inside regular lans are twisted, flat lan cables do not do that, so they are heavily limited in maximum length. If you notice random ping spikes or packet drops, i would suggest running higher quality cable the other way around.
still, very creative solution, love your videos!. ...Expand
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@cho4dlast year They do internet over power lines you know. Little adapter doohikey plugs in to the mains electric circuit and throws some 1s and 0s around. It works surprisingly . ...Expand
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@snozzmcberry2366last year That rift tracking camera setup with that tv in that position. The only word that comes to mind is.
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@sfcrosby1last year I did this years ago using the cold air return ducts. It worked great until a lightning strike nearby fried everything connected to cables that passed . ...Expand
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@michaelwilkes07 months ago An electrician would never do that. He would cut tons of holes in the wall and add hundreds of dollars of wall patch repair costs. That' s the proper . ...Expand
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@brittanylyles8285last year Electricians use a fisher cable. Its kind of like a roto rooter in how itthrough the walls and the holes you' ve drilled and you shouldn' t have but maybe two 2x4s to drill through, if that even depending on how the house was wired, and then you just tape to the end of the fisher and do exactly what you just done that was way simpler than i would have went about it. Work harder, not smarter, thats my motto. ...Expand
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@wazzup105last year Published on just in time for april first. Excellent!
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@skippy9214last year The level of bodging here is legendary, i commend your cleverness and willingness to try bird-brained schemes.
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@MalacaIcelast year Nice video. There is also a similar technique to use a vacuum cleaner on one end and tie some plastic on a fishing line to thread it through smaller pipes i. E. Vacant antenna pipes and such.
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@LeviGoldwinglast year Never considered pulling a rj through the ducts. I usually truncate all the data on a nearby nas and use a mesh router. Never enough though. Ended up going around the house with a 200 ft poi cable. 1
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@hgbugalou7 months ago I hope you used plenum rated cable.
also, fwiw they have 12+ foot long drill bits for installing cable through large spans. They even have li id="hidden57"ttle holes in the end to pull the cable through. Don' t blame you for not wanting to attempt it though (especially if you are married, the optics of this can terrify the wife.
i did something similar to this to get some fiber optic cable across the vaulted ceiling in my house. My house has 2 attics and are separated by the living room with a ceiling that goes to the roof. All my tech gear is on one side and i wanted to put a network switch on the other. In my case i used an old line set for my ac that got replaced some time ago because it was too small. I shot an earplug with nylon rope tied to it down the copper pipe with an air compressor then pulled the fiber through. ...Expand
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@emptyfield5250last year As a residential hvac technician, i laughed out loud when he cut a giant hole in the supply duct. I don' t know how he tried to seal it, but it' s edit: just to add a better way that won' t damage the system, i would remove thefor the evaporator coil (the metal box before the supply plenum that has the copper or aluminum lineset feeding into it from the outdoor condenser) and feed the balloon through the door. You could then drill a much smaller hole into the door with some kind of a wire grommet (and i' d still put mastic tape over it). ...Expand
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@lily_skyelast year You' re gonna have a bad time come winter when heat is going through that vent. Especially since you went for a flat one instead of unshielded twisted . ...Expand
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@bodugoklast year My first thought from your title was somehow using the ductwork as a waveguide, your solution was way more practical.
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@kramolast year I initially thought you meant ac as in ethernet over powerline i can understand why you went for a flat ethernet cable but those unfortunately have ab . ...Expand 1
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@Decodeish1last year There' s a thing called powerline internet and it' s also ip over ac power, that' s what i expected at first. This is way better though; 1
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@JohnChuprunlast year Actually a common thing - but its called plenum rated cable (for air plenums) since this is a fire hazard (lots of air to help combustion needs a special . ...Expand
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@laranjajefessorlast year I was deceived into thinking it was going to be a video creating a protocol for communication.
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@sstorholmlast year Thats quite clever actually, the reverse of the classic vacuum cleaner trick used for pulling cable in conduits. However, that flat ethernet cable is h . ...Expand
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@Kinkajou1015last year I clicked this expecting ipoac (internet protocol over avian carriers) not ipoccs (internet protocol over climate control systems)
also, nice harris teeter bag. From 5 dollar sushi friday? P.
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@Martyr217last year This is probably what we would have done this but my house was built in 1724 and no need for a. C. In scotland so we just fed the cables through the walls . ...Expand
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@ColonelStrakerlast year Plot twist: he may have figured out how to run air conditioning over ip. Goodbye water-cooled cpu! 1
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@ericfielding2540last year Great idea for newer houses that have hvac ductwork. I lived in buildings that had noand the heating carried by water or steam, which would not be so good for cables.
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@cogspace4 months ago I thought this was going to be ip over ac power, which was compelling enough, but this is so much funnier.
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@imark777777711 months ago Apparently there are occasional circumstances where this can be done the most nobody' s gonna know.
but you definitely want to be using plenum . ...Expand
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@maxritter7868last year I know the saying goes " it' s not stupid if it works" but i simply love things that are reallystupid but work surprisingly well.
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@power-maxlast year This is actually a thing that is occasionally done, but you got to use plenum rated cabling for it to be up to code. 1
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@isaiahhigginslast year I thought it was going to be one of those ethernet over mains voltage devices, but this is even whackier!
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@barongerhardtlast year Imo just pay a pro. It is only around $100-200 a drop and you won' t a weird wire sticking out your vent and running around the walls.
if you . ...Expand 1
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@redlancer7263last year It' s crazy how similar you and engineering explained sound and speak. 1
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@bastelwastel8551last year Rfc1149 called, it want its acronym back. 2

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